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devilsgrin wrote:coldwind wrote:Kevan is not dim. He's pretty cagey, just not as cagey as Tywin. And being the loyal brother, he decided to work with Tywin rather than muck up House Lannister with petty internal squabbles.
I did say "relatively dim for a Lannister". He's not stupid, indeed he was smart enough to learn from Tywin. I find he lacks that essential brilliance that Tywin and his children possess. Tywin and Tyrion have their minds, Cercei has her looks and her own mind, and frankly Jaime is an abberition since his brilliance is all martial.
Kruger wrote: Was it Stark tradition to die or take the Black?
Zorbeltuss wrote:Westeros inheritance works like this:
The eldest son of Lord Red comes first.
The eldest daughter of Lord Red comes after her brothers.
The eldest brother of Lord Red comes after Lord Red's children.
The eldest sister of Lord Red comes after her brothers.
So essentially, example of the Lannisters:
Tywin is Lord, once he dies, you have:
Jaime, kingsguard so passed over.
Tyrion, sentenced to death in absentia and also disinherited before that, so passed over.
Cersei, which is now Lady of Casterly Rock.
Her children: Joffrey, dead and also King, Tommen, now king so passed over. Leaving us with Myrcella.
Tywin's brother, Kevan, now dead.
His son, Lancel, joined the faith or so it might seem, so may be passed over. Martyn and then Janei stands next in line.
That's how it works in theory. Truth is that it might very well come down to whichever of them that commands the loyalty of the Lannister swords. Odds are that if Cersei kicks the bucket, someone like Daven might take control.
Zorbeltuss wrote:It's the general rule that you do not divide up or combine holdings and domains. Robert wasn't King of the Seven Kingdoms and Lord of Storm's end. He gave Storm's end to his brother. So being both King and Lord of Casterly Rock, warden of the west and so on is kinda unheard of.
DaimosofRedstone wrote:Zorbeltuss wrote:It's the general rule that you do not divide up or combine holdings and domains. Robert wasn't King of the Seven Kingdoms and Lord of Storm's end. He gave Storm's end to his brother. So being both King and Lord of Casterly Rock, warden of the west and so on is kinda unheard of.
I agree that the King would not claim the title of Warden, but why wouldn't he claim Casterly Rock and hand of the Wardenship to any other major noble in the Westerland?!
Zorbeltuss wrote:That's where the right of giving her hand away in marriage kicks in.
In the absence of a father or other "guardian", it falls to the liege lord to arrange for a marriage, Lord Arryn would then find someone to marry her. Likely some second son of a house he wishes to reward.
Aran MacFiona wrote:Exactly what Zorbeltuss wrote.
The Magdul Heir needs the consent of his future bride liege Lord for the marriage to be legal. Or he must bed her and make her pregnant before the liege Lord could get the Septons to annul the marriage. And that might not be enough to stop the liege Lord to have him killed if he's really pissed by this marriage.
On second thought that might the best move if it's a boy who's born from this marriage and the father dies, then guess who is the new heir of both land in the Vale and the Westerland ?
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