ColdSteel1 wrote:My brain just nearly exploded from the paradox of the tranquil templar.
That said, one would question whether a mage-blooded individual becoming a Templar is even possible. On the same note, could a Templar undergo the Rite of Tranquility? Would it survive?
Balgin Stondraeg wrote:Yes, I know Bioware broke all the rules in Dragon Age 2 when they started letting demons posess templars but I'm conveniently ignoring that for now (probably because I'd prefer to set any adventures I run before the whole DA2 debacle takes place).
I see no reason why normal humans couldn't undergo the Rite of Tranquility as well. All it does is severing one's connection to the Fade. That mages stop being vulnerable to possession is just a side-effect of this, and the cause of why it's done to them but (usually) not anyone else.5trangeCase wrote:On the same note, could a Templar undergo the Rite of Tranquility? Would it survive?
Ohh, like the abuse of lobotomy which is sometimes featured in various movies such as From Hell or Sucker Punch - an interesting idea, especially given that lobotomy likely was the writers' inspiration for the Rite of Tranquility.Balgin Stondraeg wrote:Hmm. I could even see a noble claiming their brother or sister was a mage to get them shut away in the circle to deny them their inheritance and then if the rite of tranquility failed to work on them because they were not a mage (and it simply burned them out and slew them) how might the templars view that? That the person was already posessed and the rite purged them of the wickedness that was all that remained?
I think this is more because even the templars cannot be everywhere, and trying to storm an Avvar village is trouble that Ferelden can ill afford. It's the same reason for why they don't do anything about the heresy going on in Tevinter. Limited resources.5trangeCase wrote:I mean, it's common knowledge that the Dalish, the Avvar and the Chasind have a bunch of apostates and they just turn a blind eye to them.
This is a good point - faith and zeal to strengthen the templar against what he is to face seem to be regarded as requirements, in addition to loyalty and skill-at-arms.DracoDruid wrote:And a templar without the ambition (or devotion) is of diminished use I'd say.
Although it should probably be pointed out that this specific case required a special location as well as the Tranquil being ordered to engage in experiments involving the summoning of spirits. Whilst the process could be replicated, I don't think it is likely to happen randomly - there's a reason the Chantry trusted the Rite for several centuries, and this event was an intentionally created first-timer.Ghostdanser wrote:Tranquils are not immune to possession...
Indeed, there were a few possessed templars in DA:O as well.shonuff wrote:How was it against the rules for demons to possess templars? I don't recall anything of the sort. Mages are the easiest for possession, but IIRC, anyone/thing is open.
Lynata wrote:5trangeCase wrote:Indeed, there were a few possessed templars in DA:O as well.shonuff wrote:How was it against the rules for demons to possess templars? I don't recall anything of the sort. Mages are the easiest for possession, but IIRC, anyone/thing is open.
The big difference is that mages can get possessed at any time, whereas others can only get possessed if they are subjected to strong demonic corruption in the real world, which simply doesn't happen very often. They are immune in the Fade (due to not being conscious there), but once a demon has broken through the Veil and has taken solid form it can interact with people and use magic to break their minds. In DA2, the blood mages were using an arcane ritual to trap the aforementioned templars and make them vulnerable for possession in order act as vessels for demons they summoned for specifically this event: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Tarohne
Balgin Stondraeg wrote:In DA2 they started breaking all the rules allowing any mage that wasn't player controlled to teleport (magic can't teleport)
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Possessed_TemplarBalgin Stondraeg wrote:I don't recall there being any posessed templars in origins. Dominated, yes. Controlled, yes. Posessed? I don't think so. I could be mistaken.
Ooh, another good example.Balgin Stondraeg wrote:I should imagine a tranquil templar in action would be more like The Agent from Serenity (& therefore, by extension, Firefly). His calm and peaceful demeanour as he does the government's dirty work and believe's he's making the world a better place.
Lynata wrote:I mainly referenced Equilibrium...
Elfie wrote:Balgin Stondraeg wrote:In DA2 they started breaking all the rules allowing any mage that wasn't player controlled to teleport (magic can't teleport)
Wait, what? Who? When? If you're talking about Flemmeth, that was explicitly not teleportation. The Champion carries "a piece" of her to the Free Marches, which then manifests into an aspect of her full being. She comments that only being in one place at a time would be too restrictive. So, Flemmeth can be in more than one place at a time, but she has to physically go there (or be taken there), but that's definitely not teleportation.
As for teleportation magic: I could actually deem it possible - albeit surely not as an everyday spell. We know that you can, in theory, bring your body into the Fade (it has been done once), so all it takes for a teleportation would be to jump in and out of it, arriving at a different place when you step out again.
And now I get all sorts of memories about Event Horizon.
Oooh, if you ever get the chance (netflix?), do it - it's popcorn action trash, but it's enjoyable! And the setting is interesting.Balgin Stondraeg wrote:Wich I haven't seen....
Huh, I did not even notice that.Balgin Stondraeg wrote:Unfortunately every single hostile mage in DA 2 having short ranged teleportation spells just broke the fun completely.
Not quite - even the DA P&P mentions the puppet factor as it explains possession as being one of the dangers of magic:Balgin Stondraeg wrote:I tend to think of that as a continuity breaking typo as they clearly aren't that posessed. More like controlled like puppets and apparently in Dragon Age posession means turning into an abomination despite what linguistics and history would suggest otherwise.
Lynata wrote:So, from what I've gathered throughout all the books and games, a demon managing to sneak into a host always possesses the body, but it doesn't always turn it into an abomination right away. At least not in the visible sense. Rather, it seems as if demons/spirits have a tendency to transform stuff they meet in the real world into what they know from the twisted impressions they gathered in the Fade, so a possessed body may or may not develop "demonic" features. How quickly this happens seems to vary, possibly depending on factors such as the demon/spirit controlling it or how tight the control is.
In "Asunder", the definition of abominations is broadened so far that it actually includes Anders and Wynne, even though both look perfectly normal. Then there is the possessed mage Pharamond who is described as an "elf with demonic features".
In DA2, there is also that possessed templar (victim of blood magic ritual) who turns into an abomination (the monstrous kind) as he is confronted by Cullen, so maybe this means the demon controlling the body tried to make it "stronger" or it just means that it took over completely (from merely influencing its victim before)?
Lynata wrote:Ah, I don't even recall Wynne having this "problem" in DA:O already - then again, my interaction with her was rather limited as I mostly went with Alistair, Leliana and Morrigan. Honestly thought they have retconned this until now.
David Gaider wrote:Regular people can be possessed by demons, and are still dangerous, but they are not abominations. Abominations have access to a mage's full power -- even a weak mage turned into an abomination is dangerous -- while a possessed human (or possessed anything) is only as dangerous as the demon that did the possessing.
Hellebore wrote:Kitty in Honleath is also possessed by a desire demon yet still looks like a normal cat and isn't mutated like other demon possessed creatures (eg Sylvans). http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Kitty
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